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Thoracic Outlet, The Yips, Voodoo Floss, and Youth Mechanics

On this episode of the #AskMikeReinold show pitching coach Jon Morse joins us for another baseball episode! We talk about thoracic outlet syndrome and players with the “yips,” using Voodoo Floss, and common mechanical faults in youth pitchers. To view more episodes, subscribe, and ask your questions, go to

#AskMikeReinold Episode 22: Thoracic Outlet, The Yips, Voodoo Floss, and Youth Mechanics

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4 replies
  1. aaronseacat
    aaronseacat says:

    Hi MIke. Really appreciate your work. You are my go to for solid answers and avoiding junk science. That is why I’m so disappointed with your view on “the yips”. Blaming TOS for the yips based upon some anecdotal cases is not your style. Sometimes its good to remember that you don’t know what you don’t know. I don’t come at this subject with my own solution – I’m a dad of extremely gifted baseball player that is seeking solution. After 2 years of struggling for answers – I wouldn’t wish this demon on a worst enemy – it is so difficult to battle. There is definitely a psychological component to the yips (is severity is proportional to the stress level of the game/practice) but I can assure you that none of the “yips experts” out there in the sports psychology world have anything more than a veiled placebo solution. The best analogy I can give it is that its like PTSD (not equating baseball to the real trauma of war) in which a stored bad memory short circuits the neural pathway that previously performed a simply throw smoothly and replaces it with an uncontrollable, unexplained motion.
    Maybe its not your area to pursue answers in that realm but I still respect you enough to hope you would investigate deeper and help find some answers. Funny thing is – once you’ve experienced it – its in incredible how wide spread the problem is and how many are desperately seeking answers.

  2. Robbie Andrews
    Robbie Andrews says:

    Hey Mike, first off I really enjoy these podcasts. While in school, these podcasts make learning on my own time much more interesting being geared toward my interests. I appreciate the response on my ‘yips’ question. Very interesting. Tough to not believe it’s mental while you are being affected, but it does make some sense. Would be great to have a culprit to this and not just a generic “it’s all in your head” response. I’d love to hopefully do my own study on this eventually. Thanks again!

  3. Brian Lewton
    Brian Lewton says:

    Hi Mike, I’m loving the podcast. I agree with you on the voo doo floss that there is not a ton of good research out there, but I disagree with it not being a viable option for baseball players. Purely anecdotally, however. But I used voo doo bands on many different injuries and problems with my baseball team this year. I used them to help a pitcher with pain in his forearm with a nice little lump that swelled up (MRI negative and ortho diagnosed a GIRD issue) but that voo doo band did more for his pain and swelling than anything else. I also used it in a hand that was swollen after a long BP session. Most successfully I used it to create some distraction to the GH joint for some light mobes on a very stocky and immobile pitcher. That’s just the arm stuff. I hope more research goes into this stuff and we get some good light so I can make sure i’m using good science and not just good luck. Keep the posts coming because I guarantee you I’ll keep watching. Thanks,

    Brian, ATC

    • mikereinold
      mikereinold says:

      Thanks Brian, glad you are enjoying! I guess it depends on what you are comparing it to. Is voodoo floss better than nothing? Maybe? But there are much better options to achieve the goal you are looking for without the negatives. For the person with the swollen hand, for example, voodoo floss would be 110% completely contraindicated and something you should not use. In fact, this person may need to be seen ASAP as they have an occlusion issue, don’t occlude to treat occlusion.

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